DUST Search - The truth about Pro's ContraBanJoe & What went down 3/30/13

Veritas Vitae wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

I'm not so worried about the money thing, as from my calculations from the amount of tickets bought in the lottery x cost per ticket, this is pocket change.
I am worried about the video, seeing people I know getting slaughtered doing noob mistakes.
I mean really, am I the only one noticing that?

This seems to be contradicted a bit by these two posts.

Shutter Fly wrote:

Not much I can say concerning our performance in the battle. We were completely unprepared and heavily out gunned. We were just coming back from a previous corp battle against STB and had another planned to start in about 45 minutes. We were already a bit short for the corp battles we had planned in advance, even more so for an impromptu battle for most of the corp's wallet.

I could make excuses all day, but I don't have any choice but to concede that they were better prepared, had better gear, and fielded better players. I'm not fooling myself or anyone else. We lost, nothing changes that.

Laz Ulian Sol wrote:

1,600 x 250,000 = 400,000,000

Now that's assuming absolutely every one of those 1,600 entered your lottery. Well, with benefit of the doubt and a few doubles thrown in I'll say 450 mil is a good estimate.

You say you've done two of these lotteries? Well then that's 900 million ISK.

BTW, we scrambled players into squads for this match 5 minutes before it happened, as well as had multiple offers for ringers from other corps who wanted to be a piece of this battle. Way to accept responsibility Shutter, and to all those other guys, keep on zerging that video! Reminds me of mangudiaforce spamming dislikes on MAG vids when he got butthurt that he couldn't TK his OIC.


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Shutter Fly Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 47	Posted - 2013.03.30 07:08:00 - [1] - Quote Fat Bottom * wrote: You all might want to know that the leader of Pro (Planetary Response Organization) ContraBanJoe is a Paranoid alcoholic. After making a giant mistake tonight (3/30/13) and putting a corp battle up for $600 mil ISK (he was drunk and put 2 extra zeros) Pink Fuffy took the battle and crushed their unprepared best of what was on (with minutes notice, and some noob member that would not leave the corp battle). Joe at first made it seem like it was all part of his master plan. Then when members started getting angry that he had lost so much cash, he started raging. In a drunken paranoid fit in his (very large) corp voice chat threatened to end PRO and start a new league, then he changed his mind and threatened to kick everyone without UVT. He then accused some of his leaders of being a spy. (Days earlier he mentioned he even thought his brother might be a spy.) It was like hearing a drunken child with ADD, and paranoid schizophrenia, blaming anyone and anything else for the milk he had spilled. There are many witnesses to this and many ppl left PRO this night because of what happened. This man needs to check himself into rehab, before he takes PRO down with him. Own your own mistakes Joe, and let your brother or someone else make the big decisions, because you sir are mentally unstable, and should not be driving a car never-mind running a corp with 1600+ members. This is The Fat Bottom ***** and I'm out. If you are going to make statements like these, actively claiming the number of other witnesses, you should probably stay away from significant overdramatizations like this. I was also there, in the battle in question, and in the corporate chat for the statements you seem to be referring to. First of all, I didn't hear anything that I would classify as "raging", he was obviously exasperated due to the major error he made (as anyone would be), but I didn't sense any anger or desperation. He stated that any non-UVT member joining a corp match would be removed, not everyone without a UVT in the corp, many people took the statement in the wrong way and it had to be restated in order to clarify the meaning. The separate UVT only corp was mentioned, it was to help sort out any possible spies or uncooperative members going into corp matches (similar to PXRXO Holdings), but the idea was dropped very quickly. I heard no accusations of leaders being spies, including Government Cheeseburger. Joe made no public statements accusing his brother of being a spy. The conflict in question was a misunderstanding between the two that was promptly resolved. The corp match was a mistake by Joe, a misreading of text in an HD game being played on a small SDTV. He directly stated that the battle was his mistake, that he was sorry for the trouble it caused, and that we would make sure that it never happened again. Don't make exaggerated and false statements if you know there are others who were also witness to the events in question.
Shutter Fly Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 48	Posted - 2013.03.30 08:28:00 - [2] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I'm not so worried about the money thing, as from my calculations from the amount of tickets bought in the lottery x cost per ticket, this is pocket change. I am worried about the video, seeing people I know getting slaughtered doing noob mistakes. I mean really, am I the only one noticing that? Not much I can say concerning our performance in the battle. We were completely unprepared and heavily out gunned. We were just coming back from a previous corp battle against STB and had another planned to start in about 45 minutes. We were already a bit short for the corp battles we had planned in advance, even more so for an impromptu battle for most of the corp's wallet. We pulled together the best we could, but we were plagued with setbacks. Morale was fairly low going into the game and only decreased as it went on. I could make excuses all day, but I don't have any choice but to concede that they were better prepared, had better gear, and fielded better players. I'm not fooling myself or anyone else. We lost, nothing changes that.
Shutter Fly Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 49	Posted - 2013.03.30 08:49:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Shutter Fly wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I'm not so worried about the money thing, as from my calculations from the amount of tickets bought in the lottery x cost per ticket, this is pocket change. I am worried about the video, seeing people I know getting slaughtered doing noob mistakes. I mean really, am I the only one noticing that? Not much I can say concerning our performance in the battle. We were completely unprepared and heavily out gunned. We were just coming back from a previous corp battle against STB and had another planned to start in about 45 minutes. We were already a bit short for the corp battles we had planned in advance, even more so for an impromptu battle for most of the corp's wallet. We pulled together the best we could, but we were plagued with setbacks. Morale was fairly low going into the game and only decreased as it went on. I could make excuses all day, but I don't have any choice but to concede that they were better prepared, had better gear, and fielded better players. I'm not fooling myself or anyone else. We lost, nothing changes that. I understand. Now a question, were you guys the players from PRO Holdings? Yes, albeit a very limited selection of them (plus the one kid who refused to leave). As I said, we were short at the time and would have fielded a very different team if everyone had been present. Personally, I probably would have been swapped out once we saw the map we were on if the situation was more under control.
Shutter Fly Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 52	Posted - 2013.03.30 18:09:00 - [4] - Quote Veritas Vitae wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I'm not so worried about the money thing, as from my calculations from the amount of tickets bought in the lottery x cost per ticket, this is pocket change. I am worried about the video, seeing people I know getting slaughtered doing noob mistakes. I mean really, am I the only one noticing that? This seems to be contradicted a bit by these two posts. Shutter Fly wrote: Not much I can say concerning our performance in the battle. We were completely unprepared and heavily out gunned. We were just coming back from a previous corp battle against STB and had another planned to start in about 45 minutes. We were already a bit short for the corp battles we had planned in advance, even more so for an impromptu battle for most of the corp's wallet. I could make excuses all day, but I don't have any choice but to concede that they were better prepared, had better gear, and fielded better players. I'm not fooling myself or anyone else. We lost, nothing changes that. Laz Ulian Sol wrote: 1,600 x 250,000 = 400,000,000 Now that's assuming absolutely every one of those 1,600 entered your lottery. Well, with benefit of the doubt and a few doubles thrown in I'll say 450 mil is a good estimate. You say you've done two of these lotteries? Well then that's 900 million ISK. BTW, we scrambled players into squads for this match 5 minutes before it happened, as well as had multiple offers for ringers from other corps who wanted to be a piece of this battle. Way to accept responsibility Shutter, and to all those other guys, keep on zerging that video! Reminds me of mangudiaforce spamming dislikes on MAG vids when he got butthurt that he couldn't TK his OIC. Although my wording wasn't exactly ideal in my post, I will say that the 300M was a fairly substantial hit to our corp wallet. Regardless, I can honestly say that it won't be a major issue regaining the lost ISK. As you may have seen from our many mass messages that have been posted on the forum by a "spy", our policy has always been against significant corporate donations. If necessary, we will be able to organize a drive to quickly restore our lost funds. As for the issues in organizing for the battle, we had to deal with unauthorized players entering the battle, which is an issue in our corp and something that we normally have means of preventing (Holdings). Any 8 PFBH would have been able to fight effectively in a battle against PRO. We were particularly mismatched against the group you deployed. If I'm not mistaken, you had a Sagaris, a laser, a dropship spotter, and the rest were Krin's/Duvolle Assault. We had a fragmented squad of what was supposed to be 2 Proto HMG Heavies, a Duvolle Assault, and one Proto Logistics, and a squad with a shield tank, 2 Duvolle Assault, and myself with a Proto Shotgun/RE Scout. The first squad was first broken up by the unauthorized player, then one of our best Heavies got disconnected just before the match started. I'm not blaming our loss on these setbacks, it would have been a loss even if we had deployed without issues. I will say that it would have gone very different if we had the resources to deploy a more effective team, we might have still lost, but we would have had a chance of winning. Personally, I can't support the disliking of the video in terms of the outcome itself, it was a loss and a mistake. Given the situation, I did find the teabagging incredibly excessive and immature considering the conditions of the battle. Even in the wake of major blunders like these, PRO tries to uphold a level of maturity and professionalism in major battles, I don't think it is wrong to expect the same in return.
Shutter Fly Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 54	Posted - 2013.03.30 19:10:00 - [5] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: Care to get your PR machine on message please? You seem to have misunderstood these statements, let me clarify. My intent was to show that we were able to make a very substantial sum of money without the aid of large donations, we were able to do it without fully utilizing all of the resources available to us. This means that we will have no issues regaining the lost funds. A small percentage take from a corporate tax obviously does not fall under the category of "large donation". It is something we have discussed as a possibility in the future and it is fully supported under our policy and by all previous statements.